Saturday, March 08, 2014

Further response to Dr. Jerrold Atlas

Atlas adds:
Dear Suzarin raises some important on-the-spot
comments about the changing climate in India.
It is a groundswell reaction to dissatisfaction with 
the ways things have not been going well in India.
Thus, Congress has lost the people's confidence --
as have the old concepts of Gandhi/Nehru based on
building a "civilized" India on the foundations set 
in the British rule.

I think much more discussion about this is essential 
to understanding India ahead.  It is a rejection of 
what had been the founding ideas -- never a mark of 
stability in a nation the size of India.  Size and 
incredible diversity really mark what others have 
preferred to see: a fantasy meme of a monolithic 
people. 

Size prevents a modicum of order and civility as 
barely contained rage from overcrowdedness 
imperils order. One simply can't find "space" in 
public space to achieve calm and escape crowds 
-- thus, isolation becomes a mark of status and  
wealth enabling order and calm in one's private 
isolation space.  But what do the billion+ others do?

Diversity is now an increasingly burdensome mark 
of the reality of India despite a long history of 
public education instilling whatever the accepted
homogenized group-illusion of India has developed.
Thus, identity-formations exist among many sub-
groups creating a rash of parties emphasizing 
whatever their base seeks. This inhibits unity and
an acceptable national group-illusion. 

Indeed, frustrated younger elements turn to chaos 
and fomenting troubles for the larger national 
group because of this.  Large political parties find 
themselves broadening their message to 
accommodate the sub-groups within and this 
waters down their impact and acceptability to 
others. One simply can't be all things to all sub-
groups and remain a viable message in a huge and
very diverse group.  Simpler, all-embracing virtues/
values need to become the messages sold by large 
parties.

The turn away from what was also means a turn to 
a nationalist Hindu fantasy embodied in one party 
and leader.  How this will turn out for India is 
anyone's guess but it will definitely bring a rise in 
influence of the puritanical.  Thus, this change is so 
far turning more to cleansing India than marrying 
the sub-groups.  It is "exclusivity" rather than 
"inclusivity" -- a nasty turn and certainly one where
hates are turned into allowed rage by Indian laws.

Suzarin is wrong, however, in denying "banned" as 
the correct expression for what is taking place (with 
Doniger's book and many other elements of life there).
That Penguin chose a business decision rather than 
intellectual reality is a mark of the savaging of what 
had been India's real past for a revisionist meme 
hardly in keeping with the greatness that was. True,
the settlement eliminated the "banning" but it was
really a caving in to "banning".

Suzarin is fully correct, however, in everything else.
This is a dangerous turn for India, it will gain little 
more than hatred unleashed, violence nascent, anger
for a nation that needs tolerance and inclusivity. India
will be wasting its vast intellectual/cultural heritage
in the pursuit of unleashed angers and repression in a 
regressive regime.  Things do not bode well.  Mark's
other illustration of this shows the spreading nature
of this passionate "exclusivity".    J ATLAS]

My response:
I agree that the effect of Penguin India’s out of court settlement with the petitioners is the same as banning. But in India, a distinction is usually made between challenging and banning. Banning has to be by the government, with or without a court order.

Doniger’s book was only challenged by a retired school teacher and five others in a civil suit filed before one of the Additional District Judges in New Delhi in 2011. They had also registered two criminal complaints before a police station in New Delhi in 2010 and 2013.

But on February 4, Penguin agreed to withdraw all the copies of the book from India within a period of six months. On February 10, the court accepted the agreement and dismissed the suit as withdrawn. Following that, the two criminal complaints also stood withdrawn.

Wikipedia has a list of the books ‘banned’ and the books ‘challenged but not banned’ in India till date. Please see the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_in_India

Some of the books on the list may really surprise you.

I also agree with the detailed observations about what is looming over contemporary India, threatening its very survival as a single state. But history seldom follows predictions! One factor that might change the course for the better is a movement, nascent though, led by Arvind Kejriwal. India watchers may take note of the name.

Suzarin

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